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Food & Drink > On a Lighter Note
 

On a Lighter Note

The long, dark days of January has us midwesterners searching for things to do (if we're retired).

My local gardener/chef "expert" has a column in the newspaper ("Thyme with Rosemary", tee hee) about a variety of food topics. Want something to do?

This week, she suggests: "Time to toss out those spices, canned goods gathering dust in the pantry" (that was the actual title). I'm still chortling over it--not because it's bad advice, but because I have broken every rule in the book. Plus, I can't imagine me ever doing what Rosemary recommends.

She has 6 months maximum cupboard storage times for dry milk powder, flour, dried fruit; two years for molasses, for some examples. She would have a cow if she knew I've had powdered milk for 15 years and a jug of molasses for 30 years! I seldom use either. As soon as I'd toss them, I'd need them for some recipe. If I bought new, they could (and would) sit on the shelf just as long. I'm not about to throw them out and purchase new. They're "perfectly" fine.

My pantry has dozens of items that have "expired", according to Rosemary's time limits. And if my refrigerator foods have been in there too long (over one month for butter, four for pickles, for example), then she would be aghast at how long I've had stuff in my freezer. I mean I pull out 20 year old cherries, 5 yr. old applesauce, year old turkey, and much, much, more!

Go ahead, laugh at me. But honestly, I can't detect any foul taste in "old" pickles or freezer slaw. If my aged cheese gets moldy, I cut it off. I'm still alive.

I have a cupboard full of spices. Cooking for only myself, I don't consume them very fast. If I were to go by the expiration dates, I'd have to discard, then buy new products before I even barely used any of them. If spices "degrade" over time, I'll simply use more of them in my cooking.

Listen, I don't have moths or worms. I keep flours and such in a freezer. I try to use up shelf and fridge items quickly. I'm just not going to toss everything out of date. Besides, it's a ploy. They want you to buy new products. It's like your local service station insisting on changing your car's oil every 3000 mi. Your buyer's guide says 7500 mi. Likewise, I double up the expired dates on foods (except dairy and meat). Otherwise, I'd be in the poor house.

posted on Jan 10, 2011 7:26 AM ()

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Gently toasting spices in a dry pan intensifies the flavour. I do it every time I cook with a spice, regardless of the age of the spice.

You would probably be a good influence on me. Because I'm alone I have nobody to curb that part of the OCD.
comment by juliansmom on Jan 14, 2011 6:28 AM ()
My OCD just kicked into overdrive.I get really paranoid about expiration dates on things. For instance, once sour cream is opened, I can only use it once. It's strange....

Have you ever tried toasting your spices a bit in a dry pan if they've gone a bit stale? That usually peps them back up.
comment by juliansmom on Jan 13, 2011 7:28 PM ()
Toasting spices seems like that would do the exact opposite--drive the flavors out. But what do I know? (a Fredo-ism) I guess we're different in tossing out expired shelf dated foods. I ignore the time limits.
reply by solitaire on Jan 14, 2011 5:17 AM ()
Sounds ok to me. Even Martha Stewart says chocolate will keep 2 yrs, refrigerated. And in your favorite novel, the Bible, Egypt kept grain in storage for 7 years. Only danger I can think of in powders is pancake mix, which was found to grow a dangerous mold sometimes.
comment by drmaus on Jan 11, 2011 3:08 PM ()
Powders (like pancake mix) are kept in the freezer! It's not the mold, but the moths that can "infect" it. Therefore, I have no moth worms. Hope you're doing okay.
reply by solitaire on Jan 12, 2011 5:51 AM ()
what i meant about the milk is,that he will saved the carton if only have a spoonful left.He will not throw it out.The same with the rest.
He can be cheapo at times.
comment by fredo on Jan 11, 2011 9:51 AM ()
I suppose we're all a little eccentric, one way or another--at least to the people around us! That's why I live by myself.
reply by solitaire on Jan 12, 2011 5:48 AM ()
Sounds very familiar to me. But it's more like I'm the "thrower outer of record". Ed will put totally empty containers back in the fridge.
reply by tealstar on Jan 11, 2011 5:01 PM ()
I envy you your storage space.
comment by marta on Jan 10, 2011 10:09 PM ()
Like they say, "nature abhors a vacuum". The more space I have, the more stuff fills it up!
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:36 AM ()
Yup, those expiry dates for dried foods is just to get you to spend
more. Canned food doesn't go bad. I've never had spices go bad
either. Freezer burn isn't even that bad, just eat it with a
flavourful sauce, and you won't notice. I keep nuts, flax and
and whole wheat flour in the freezer so it doesn't go rancid.
comment by crazylife on Jan 10, 2011 8:49 PM ()
I keep nuts in the freezer, but not flax seeds. I was told to keep flax at room temp.--not even refrigerate. Label instructions say the same. If one buys a quarter of a steer, the meat has to be frozen for a long period of time. Then one needs to be creative in making it taste "freezer burn-less"!
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:34 AM ()
We don't have a deep freeze and shrink wrapping at home is a hassle. I have had ground turkey in the freezer for months and months. I will one day take a look at it. I can tell you now, it will have freezer burn and an off taste and I will throw it out. Ditto boneless chicken breasts. I swear I'll never buy those again. I just never use them. Spices I've had for a long time do smell flat. I don't use a lot. I had chicken stuffing since last year. It smelled bad. I threw it out. You maybe don't believe me. Or it may be just that my olfactory sense is sharper. You're still alive, you say. And counting?
comment by tealstar on Jan 10, 2011 12:35 PM ()
I'm going to have to AGREE with you, believe it or not! Old meat can have an unpleasant taste, not matter how much you doctor it up. Fortunately, I don't eat much meat, so I have very little in my freezer. I keep some spices in my fridge--paprika, for example.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:29 AM ()
The spice companies must pay these people to write that kind of article. Have you looked at the cost of herbs and spices lately? No. Because you haven't run out yet. Well, it'd cost several hundred dollars to restock my spice cupboards if I followed that woman's advice.
comment by troutbend on Jan 10, 2011 11:06 AM ()
Ain't that the truth. Shelf life dates are highly overrated. They say that about things such as aspirin, too. The ingredients haven't melted away.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:25 AM ()
I'm with you--age puts a 'kick' into most foods just like humans!
comment by greatmartin on Jan 10, 2011 10:11 AM ()
After all, don't wine and cheese improve with age?
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:22 AM ()
Mike is the one that hangs on forever.From dish liquid if it only had a drop he saved it.The same with milk etc.I have to through them out for find this is stupid.Well,anyway.Spices some of them had them for a long time.
But they still smelled good.If they smell good keep it.
Flour in the freezer,are you serious.
I have a big Hershey Candy Bar it is almost a year old,but will not throw it out.
Maybe will melt it and make cookies.Oh!what the heck.Just do what you want to do.Who cares.
comment by fredo on Jan 10, 2011 9:44 AM ()
I'm quite serious about freezer flour. Is your Hershey bar in the freezer? It will not get "chalky" in there. I didn't understand your milk and dishsoap statements. But that's okay.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:21 AM ()
Some of my spice containers have the ingredients printed in Latin.
comment by hobbie on Jan 10, 2011 9:39 AM ()
Is catnip considered a spice?
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:18 AM ()
I'm sure I have spices that are over 15 years old too....
comment by meranda on Jan 10, 2011 9:17 AM ()
Nice of you to stop by. I figure that if spices can survive a 6 month sea voyage from the Spice Islands to England (in the old days), they can sit on my shelf for at least that long.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:17 AM ()
Some of my spices might qualify as antiques! While that is an exaggeration, I keep things as long as you do. I keep things unless they begin to taste or smelly funny, but I don't push it with dairy products and I am overly cautious with mayonnaise. I've been known to replace a jar of mayonnaise that is only half used.
comment by dragonflyby on Jan 10, 2011 8:50 AM ()
I realize posting this makes me look like some kind of fruitcake, but you know me--I am! Like I said, it hasn't killed me yet.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:15 AM ()
Logic will dictate that if you throw something out you will find the next day you will need that particular object you have placed in the garbage. If it emits an unbearable odor then I believe it''s okay to throw it away, or if it starts looking like a 6th grade science project..then immediately discard it
comment by redwolftimes on Jan 10, 2011 8:31 AM ()
I can picture it. I used to teach science, and every science fair would feature at least one kid with moldy bread or cheese, etc.! And you're right about needing something right after it's been tossed!
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:13 AM ()
Huh, keeping flour in the freezer. That's a good idea! I am totally with you on the rest, all my spices are at least a year old. At least!
comment by kristilyn3 on Jan 10, 2011 7:44 AM ()
I keep a box of various flours and such in the freezer. They never go bad.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:10 AM ()
The only thing were date matters, I have found, is in dairy products. They do turn sour, and then I guess you can make yogurt...
comment by anacoana on Jan 10, 2011 7:40 AM ()
I've been known to freeze sour milk for later use in some recipe. But it really takes up space for the rare times I need it. Vinegar is easier to substitute.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:08 AM ()
Many is the time I have thought to myself "ooh, I have got so & so, in the cupboard", climbed up to get it and noticed it is out of date - depending on what it is (and how long it 'has', actually been in there, I will use it. Apart from the health problem that I have got (nothing to do with 'poisoning' myself from this habit) I am fine and dandy
I think it is just down to 'common sense' . . . . . . . I am 'sure', I have some of that tucked away somewher or other . . . . .

comment by augusta on Jan 10, 2011 7:40 AM ()
I forget what your "health problem" is, but let's hope old foods don't contribute to it. I sincerely doubt they will.
reply by solitaire on Jan 11, 2011 6:06 AM ()

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