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Parenting & Family > What's the Matter with Me?
 

What's the Matter with Me?

I've been accused (many times) of being outspoken, radical, even weird. Of course, I deny the allegations (ha ha).

But I sometimes question my so-called rational thinking. Case in point:
I was chastised by my ex-wife at my (our) grandson's first birthday celebration the other day. The reason was that I did not give him a gift or even a card. "If you loved your grandson, you would give him a present", she said. (This is deja vu all over again. We had these battles with our own children. I supplied the money--she bought the gifts. Then she walked out of their lives.)

My ex may be right, but I have my reasons. First, my own children, sisters, father, etc., know that I don't buy birthday or Christmas gifts for them. I've told them I don't need or want anything from them, and in return, they shouldn't expect anything from me. Fair enough? I suppose I "inherited" this from my father (not a good sign.)

Secondly, I asked my daughter what her little boy needed, and I would be happy to get it for him/them. She said "nothing--and no toys!" When the time comes where they need something that's out of their budget, she knows I'll be happy to help them out.

It's not that I'm cheap. I'm just practical. Other party attendees gave him all the toys and clothes he needs (or doesn't need). He'll soon outgrow both, and they'll be discarded. I realize that's not the point (or a logical reason).

I would rather give my grandson my time, my interest, my love. I want to fly a kite with him, go golfing, walk in the woods, teach him guitar. Buying him a little toy John Deere tractor isn't, in my way of thinking, the path to his heart. ("Can't buy me love".)

So, is there anything wrong with that, I ask? Am I rationalizing, just because I don't like to shop? Is there something the matter with me? Or am I just getting old and set in my ways? Dear Abby?

posted on Oct 16, 2010 6:02 AM ()

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A gift of your time, with perhaps a few photos of the shared experience in a scrapbook to be given when a little one is old enough to appreciate it — they make wonderful audio story books, by the way, and its great fun when the youngster tells YOU the story — would be the best gift of all. Such gifts are never outgrown and and become real keepsakes. Just a thought, Randy.
comment by marta on Oct 28, 2010 7:00 PM ()
you through me off at first but once i pushed through your first couple sentences I could totally see and understand your logic. We are such a consumerism society...why would you want to raise your kids (or grandkids) in that??? I applaud you for trying to show them a different path!
comment by panthurdreams on Oct 19, 2010 9:54 AM ()
I like that "consumerism society" phrase. Isn't that the truth, and I'm totally fighting it. Let kids play with pots and pans. Let them get their hands dirty in rocks, leaves, and sand. I could go on. Anyway, I'm with you.
reply by solitaire on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 AM ()
Nothing wrong at all!!!
comment by itsjustme on Oct 19, 2010 2:47 AM ()
Thank you, thank you. Much appreciated.
reply by solitaire on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 AM ()
At his age, you could almost wrap up an empty box and give it to him. He'd probably love it, but you'd get some very strange looks... and comments from the sound of it. Still, I agree with the others that a small gift would have gone a long way.
comment by catdancer on Oct 17, 2010 9:44 PM ()
Agreed. And as I've told others here, I'm reinventing my attitude toward gift giving. That's why I posted this dilemma.
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 5:20 AM ()
The ex-wife was pretty rude, I think. But, even if someone says not to get them a gift - you can give them a gift in a different way - a donation to a charity they support, a gift card so they can buy what they need, not what you think they want, or a savings bond, money towards an education account, etc.
comment by crazylife on Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM ()
Good idea(s). I have deposited money in "college accounts" for my grandkids. But it's just not the same as a direct gift because they can't see or touch it. So I'll begin doing both! That'll show 'em!
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 5:19 AM ()
My sister used to love to embarrass me in front of the customers in the salon, she knew even if it was a lie she was telling, I wouldn't snap back at her.
So perhaps it's not about the gift it's more about making you out to be the "bad guy"
Don't "buy into it"
comment by anacoana on Oct 17, 2010 4:13 PM ()
There's no doubt my ex-wife is trying to "one-up" me. I won't buy into that, but I am going to start spending more money on my grandkids. Thanks for the support.
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 5:16 AM ()
I love giving gifts and especially surprises. I like surprising my daughter in law with a homecooked meal when she comes home from school exhausted. I love buying presents. For instance, I have a designer
handbag to give to my daughter who has to search out bargains. The giving
far outweighs the getting as far as pleasure is concerned but I would be
hurt if I didn't get some acknowledgement of my birthday. I shop all year
for things I think friends or family would like at Christmas or birthdays.
comment by elderjane on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 AM ()
I'm not at all surprised at your gift giving tendencies. That's your personality. And I can see it reflects on my personality that I don't. That's about to change! You may not have realized it, but you and Dottie have made me see things in a different light. Thanks, Geri!
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 5:12 AM ()
Did I read that right? You do not give birthday or Christmas gifts- but you feel neglected when your son ignores your birthday??? How do you think you make them feel when you do not give a card or a gift? Do you really think your reasons or explanations make the disappointment easier to swallow? You can't really believe that people only give presents JUST to show others that they love them!? How about to please them or to see joy or surprise in their eyes? You are missing out on the best part. When we give to others, it is immensely gratifying.
comment by dragonflyby on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 AM ()
See, that's the point of my post title. I DO know the feeling of "being ignored" (like from my son). I DO NOT want to be like that. That's the issue: I don't consider myself to be a cheap, selfish SOB, and I don't forget or ignore birthdays. I'm just not a gift giver. However, I'm going to try to improve on that.
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 5:08 AM ()
Those who know and love you understand the reasons you have for doing what you do, no explanations are needed. Material goods are for the here and now, and are quickly forgotten and discarded. To give of ourselves, our heart and our time is something that lasts a lifetime. Yes I remember gifts that my Grandmother gave to me, but moreover I remember the time that I was able to share her company..for which I would give anything for one more day of that. People have a misconception that the more you spend on someone the more you love them, and that couldn't be farther from the truth. So Randy keep doing what your doing and hold tight to those values, then your grandchild will be blessed with memories more precious then any material gift you could give him
comment by redwolftimes on Oct 17, 2010 8:35 AM ()
What a heart-felt response. You have raised the bar, so to speak. Thank you! What you said encourages me to be the best grandfather I can be.
reply by solitaire on Oct 18, 2010 4:59 AM ()
You're within your rights to do as you do but when it comes to children, I think kristilyn has a good suggestion and greatmartin puts it well, that all kids love something, anything. It's the surprise, the anticipation, the thrill of it, so give him i.o.u. for an outing, just the two of you to include maybe lunch or ice cream. Draw a flower on it. Or a heart. No shopping required. As for the ex, she's just being mean.
comment by tealstar on Oct 16, 2010 12:48 PM ()
My daughter really insisted that I not buy her son anything. But I think it's because she knows me all too well! And, after all, he only turned one year old. I doubt if it means much to him. Next year I'll do better, and as he gets older, I'll do what you suggest. Thanks.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 6:16 AM ()
Hi, the: "Can't buy me love" quote.
reply by febreze on Oct 16, 2010 3:35 PM ()
Randy Randy Randy!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
now I have met another wonderful human being, that I totally feel the same way about giving and receiving of expected or surprise gifts!!! There has to be more than 10% of us right Mr. Smith????!!!

I'm so glad Parker says "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" on so many of the traditional holidays as well as myself!! Now adays..... "Birth-Days" for me are extra special since I gave birth to my first daughter 23 years ago!! The whole meaning for me is all about LIFE celebrations!!

FYI,
I came from an Upper middle class family, five kids in private school, Catholic of course,with the help of a Nanny and Mrs. Roberts the housekeeper/ Surrogate Mother. Wanted for NOTHING!!!

My world changed drastically at which at age 11 I was out on the streets and the "System" changed my way of life forever....my vows of Anti-establishment and poverty at such a young impressionable age has led me to live a life of honor and self-respect and to do as much good every minute of everyday!!!

My love/gifts come in many shapes and forms...yet the gift of time is still my FAVORITE!!!! Such concerns and accusations from a "mother" who flew the coop literally. Sounds like a little duct tape may be neccasary in any future life celebrations??!!
Stay well my friend,
Barb
comment by darkstar on Oct 16, 2010 10:03 AM ()
Hi Barb! I like your "life celebrations" take on birthdays. We did one when my mother died, but this is LIFE! Another year on mother earth. Time to throw caution to the wind. No more party pooping. Your enthusiasm is contagious! Nice to hear from you on occasion.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 6:12 AM ()
To answer your first question, maybe whatever is wrong with you might be cured or at least slowed down by a good slap upside the head. Second question: I agree with Martin, and next year when little whatever-the-various-family-members-call-him is older and will remember it more, you might want to come up with some small token of thoughtfulness and esteem. I know you are extremely proud of your rebel image and hate to pass up a chance to rub everyone's nose in it, but sometimes it's nice to just shut up and go along with the program.
comment by troutbend on Oct 16, 2010 9:45 AM ()
Really, I'm not "rebellious" intentionally. And I don't think I'm "proud" of it. But be that as it may, I'll try to take your advice and be a better grandfather (and person). I did buy "Johnny" (real name Jensen) a Jack-in-the-box several months ago. And I have another gift for when he's a little older. I'm not all bad.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 5:58 AM ()
I think the answer to your subject question is that you are not me! I have never known a kid--any kid--at any age--who doesn't LOVE getting a gift of any kind--they may forget it 10 minutes later but for that moment in time their eyes light up and they are thrilled--the same goes for adults--you tough of them--you are giving them something and for that moment they are thrilled--now 2 seconds later they may say "Why the hell did he ever get me that?" or "Is that all he can afford?" or they might just dismiss the gift BUT for a second in time they know you were thinking of them.,.
I must admit I am a big gift giver--not necessarily of big gifts but I love to give gifts especially where the person may not hve been expecting one.
At this stage in my life I don't want 'things' but getting a card is fantastic!
comment by greatmartin on Oct 16, 2010 9:24 AM ()
As usual, you have a good answer, Martin. And you're right. I enjoy getting a birthday card, and feel neglected when my son ignores the occasion. I always send emails to my kids and grandkids wishing them happy birthday. I may (underline MAY) take your advice and buy a present or two the next go-around.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 6:09 AM ()
This is the best explanation of why to give gifts that I have ever seen. Could have used it over the years. Thanks, Martin.
reply by troutbend on Oct 16, 2010 9:28 AM ()
I think it's always nice to be thought of... I always send cards etc. if I can't be there... I think you are fine with just showing up, but maybe on his bday you could give him a piece of paper that says it's good for a trip with Grandpa to go golfing/walking in the woods or whatever. That would probably be better than the gifts and then you can't be accused of not giving him anything.
comment by kristilyn3 on Oct 16, 2010 8:37 AM ()
Johnny is only one year old, so the "time together" gifts will have to wait. I think women are a little more "giving" than men. Probably genetic.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 6:04 AM ()
You don't have to shower people / children with presents to show you love them! They ought to know by your demeanor with them (is that the word I am looking for)?
I agree with the Beatle song you quoted
comment by febreze on Oct 16, 2010 7:43 AM ()
Hey Breezy. Thanks for the support. We're all different when it comes to gift giving/getting. So I take suggestions with a grain of salt.
reply by solitaire on Oct 17, 2010 6:01 AM ()
He quoted a Beatle song? Duh. (out of it friend here)
reply by tealstar on Oct 16, 2010 12:45 PM ()

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