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Religion > Is it or Isn't It?
 

Is it or Isn't It?


My friend, Steve, who does wonderful construction work for us, stopped his truck to talk with me while I walked yesterday. Somehow it came up how disappointed he was in the way our society was developing and how dismayed he was that gays were being allowed to marry. I said, that doesn’t bother me. And he said, “The Bible says …” and I lost it and said some bad things about the Bible. He was thunderstruck – probably thought God was going to reach down at that minute and smite me. Our conversation went on a little longer and we parted as friends, but I do think his view of me has been radically altered. It is what it is and maybe he’ll keep talking to me and maybe not. I am not worrying about that.

I am truly disappointed that Steve has turned out to be so very incredibly ignorant in everything but how to live his life and build and repair things beautifully. Bottom line, he is a rigid “moralist,” a position that usually denies others their rights, as in his remark about gays.

Our chat got me to thinking about the specifics of the origins of the Bible and I Googled it. The old Testament was begun by Moses in 1445 B.C. (that’s before Christ in case you didn’t know). There were at least 20 contributing authors, some writing more than one book, not necessarily in sequence. The last of the Old Testament was written in 450 B.C. The years count down from Moses to the birth of Jesus, the inference being that time worth counting ought start NOW.

The New Testament covers the first 100 years following the birth of Christ. The list, not in sequence, begins with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the 60’s and later in the list, you will see contributions by other authors in the 40s, etc.

Moreover, stories of Jesus and the Crucifixion and what he meant when he uttered certain words while on the Cross, or even different words, vary widely in the stories by various authors and change the entire meaning of what he meant, some being directly contradictory. So if you are going to invoke meanings from the Bible, you’ll have to cherry pick the one that meets your bias. They’re all there.

I don’t know about you, but it would seem to me that these uninformed wonders of the early world had as much knowledge of basic human nature, equality of being, and healthy morality as anyone else without a frame of reference. The authors were as much prisoners of their own misconceptions as anyone writing today and don’t think there wasn’t competition to outdo each other as in “Oh yeah?!! Well, wait till you hear MY version.” In addition all accounts of the Crucifixion were written roughly 60 to 100 years after the event. These guys weren’t even there. I think a tattooed revenuer living in the back woods of Georgia would do as well.

So I am not inclined to believe or monitor my life according to anything I read in the Bible except as some of its moral lessons have relevance that I already acknowledge. Like it’s a bad thing to kill someone – (oh, wait … the Bible says it’s okay if it’s your wife and she strayed, or your daughter who has a boyfriend).

We are beginning to see how our Constitution might need tweaking here and there because the framers could not foresee some of the developments of our society. But the faithful today refuse to consider that a book written by humans just up from the cave, with a barely formed sense of morality, might be flawed. Moreover these writers from different eras, were relying on oral accounts about events that happened before their lifetime. Might this Book that so many are basing their lives on (and actually, again, only when it’s convenient and suits their bias of the moment) need more than a bit of tweaking? Dare I say it needs a major overhaul?

xx, Teal

posted on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 AM ()

Comments:

I agree with elderjane. I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible from every possible perspective....historically, socially, and politically. I think I understand it about as well as anyone and better than a lot of people. I won't go into a lot of detail; However, if one is to be a Christian in its purest sense, he must love the Lord but fear his wrath. I will simply say that the Old Testament had two overlying themes. First, to rid the world of idolatry and secondly, to pave the way for, foretell and to lay the foundation for the coming of the Messiah. We see the wrath of God exercised against the unfaithful but we also see him forgiving the Israelites time and time again when they fell back into idolatry. The New Testament had the purpose of speading the "good news", the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament in the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ, and to show the complete loving side of the Lord for every man, no matter how jaded. If one can come to fully grasp all that in its historical, social, and political context of the time, if one can accept without question that the Bible was divinely inspired, and if one wishes to believe, he will.
comment by redimpala on Dec 13, 2011 11:41 AM ()
How 'they' picked the books to be in the Bible and what qualified 'them' to do it has always fascinated me. I don't like talking to any kind of extremist - for or against God - it's all a matter of personal choice.
comment by troutbend on Dec 11, 2011 2:00 PM ()
The "god" of the New Testament is peace-loving, kind and redeeming. The "god" of the Old Testament was a bastard who slaughtered entire populations. (When someone uses that clause, "But the Bible says,..." I walk away and thank fate that I can.)
comment by jondude on Dec 11, 2011 7:19 AM ()
There are people whose faith sustains them and who do not impose it on others. I have no quarrel with them, although if they believe the Bible literally, then they are indeed part of the problem. My quarrel is the way that most people practice their faith, some to a terrorist degree. Evangelicals who bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors in their driveways, are just like the Islamic terrorists who send suicide bombers.
reply by tealstar on Dec 11, 2011 2:09 PM ()
Whatever deity that is worshiped has to be cruel and most demand sacrifice
of humans or animals. Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, he
didn't qualify that by saying only if he is straight.
comment by elderjane on Dec 11, 2011 6:54 AM ()
The Bible has been overhauled a few times. See the latest issue of Nat. Geo. We had the "Jefferson Bible". Then, of course, we had some updated "everday language" version (no thous or shan'ts,etc.). But (Jefferson excepted), it's the same old crap. I certainly have no use for it.
comment by solitaire on Dec 11, 2011 6:12 AM ()
I believe in God but I am no Bible-thumper and I don't attend church.I also believe in gay rights,abortion and all the "bad" things people say are sins.Does this does this make me a bad person........I think not.Good post by the way..............dogsalot
comment by dogsalot on Dec 10, 2011 5:19 PM ()
Hi,Ms.Teal
Well Martin says it all and I go along what he says.I liked his comment and the post.A little bit heavy for me,then again never read the bible or intend to read.Not at my age.LOL.
Yes,it does need a major overhaul.
comment by fredo on Dec 10, 2011 12:55 PM ()
Have you noticed that fundamentalists (and religious right-wingers) now prefer to quote the Old Testament, which is the storehouse of all bigotry, cruelty, war, and world conflagration? Maybe the only comeback is a quote from Jesus (New Testament, supposed to be the Christians' New Deal with God, which overwrites all Old Deals). Jesus mostly said stuff like how we're supposed to be kind to one another.
comment by drmaus on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 AM ()
'Bottom line, he is a rigid “moralist,” a position that usually denies others their rights, as in his remark about gays.' As a gay out man for over 64 years I have dealt with, debated, argued with people like that plus many 'fundamentalists' who believe in the world of the bible--the words they choose to believe in--I have never met a person who literally follows the bible--they all pick and choose--fine but don't pick and choose to put me or anyone else down!
comment by greatmartin on Dec 10, 2011 10:34 AM ()
Martin,that was a great comment there.Thanks for this.
reply by fredo on Dec 10, 2011 12:56 PM ()

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