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Education > Tenure or Not
 

Tenure or Not

I read in this morning's paper that Colorado is considering ending teacher tenures as a move to improve student testing (standardized) results.

The idea is to get rid of bad tenured teachers. By "bad", I mean those that don't meet the criteria of raising student scores. After all, that seems to be the only way of measuring student progress--or so they say.

Well, I have news for them. You can't always "go by the book". Yes, there are less than stellar teachers out there. I've seen them. Maybe I was one (hope not).

In my 33 years of teaching, I tried many different "methods" of teaching. I taught "by the book": rote (without understanding or thought), memorization, etc. That was teaching to the test. Pretty successful results, but boring.

I tried problem solving techniques. This made students think, but they didn't learn enough facts and details that would earn them high standardized test scores. There is little thinking involved in "information only" tests. It's "what do you know" that counts.

In my last 6 years of teaching, I did what is called "cooperative learning". Students worked in teams of four to solve science problems, do projects, answer questions, etc. The concept was that in real life, we all work with others, often in teams. So it's important we learn how to work with others. Sounds good, but it was usually one or two persons in a team that did all the work.

I'm sure my students would perform poorly on standardized tests if they were schooled in the latter two methods (problem solving and coop. learning). Therefore, despite my "innovative" teaching techniques, my students would have failed, and I would have been "chopped" as a teacher.

Teach to the test or teach to think? I don't have the answer (does anybody, for sure?). The public wants results, and I don't blame them. The US ranks low on most comparative subjects. We want answers. I just don't think ending tenure for so-called nonproductive teachers is the solution. Perhaps Colorado's plan will give us an answer.

posted on June 13, 2010 7:07 AM ()

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Without tenure, parents would have open season on teachers. Not good.
comment by catdancer on July 1, 2010 8:26 PM ()
I don't know how it is in other parts of the country but until you get the PARENTS involved with their children's education it does not matter how much money you pour into a program, it will fail. My husband has a sister-in-law whose 17 year old daughter dropped out of high school at 15! This girl still lives at home, has no job but has a cell phone, a computer and I noticed she has her nails done professionally. When she was 15, she had a 21 year old boyfriend. Parents have got to get more involved in their children's lives and education for any statistics to improve.
comment by gapeach on June 15, 2010 6:35 PM ()
@Randy: That must be an awesome feeling to know you made a positive difference in someones' life. Wish I could say I had at least one teacher who made an impact on my life, sadly, I did not.
reply by gapeach on June 18, 2010 1:45 PM ()
You've hit the nail on the head, Nancy. Parents, parents, parents. But good teachers CAN make a difference. I've had several come back to thank me for one thing or another.
reply by solitaire on June 16, 2010 8:34 AM ()
very interesting point!!! I hadn't thought about that... I think that teaching how to think is important - it will get a person through life!
comment by kristilyn3 on June 15, 2010 7:19 AM ()
At least encourage students to think. It's an uphill battle.
reply by solitaire on June 16, 2010 8:32 AM ()
wow!that is great Randy.
comment by fredo on June 15, 2010 4:05 AM ()
"it was usually one or two persons in a team that did all the work."
Just like in real life.
comment by nittineedles on June 14, 2010 10:13 PM ()
Ain't that the truth. Our Lions Club has 10 members out of 60 that "dominate". I guess the rest are just thinking about what their obituary will say.
reply by solitaire on June 16, 2010 8:28 AM ()
Randy, low blood sugar has an effect on the thinking process. Kids need to
eat in the morning before they come to school. There are a lot of breakfast programs now for that reason.
comment by elderjane on June 14, 2010 5:41 PM ()
I realize eating (the right foods) is important. I was being too glib with my comment.
reply by solitaire on June 16, 2010 8:26 AM ()
What is there to add????
comment by itsjustme on June 14, 2010 7:56 AM ()
All the teachers that I had were bad(kidding)that is the standard joke when asked how is this teacher as one replied bad.
I had good teachers and taught the old fashioned way.Not sure if this is the right statement but nonetheless they were great to me at that time.
We had history,geography,science etc of course math.
They were all good in their craft.But the personality of them was not too great.Maybe that is why they were good teachers.Today teachers are trying to be hip with the students.Dress sloppily,talk like them etc.I think that you get the picture of this.Have no regrets in my education.Of course wish that I had done better.But Uncle Sam was my mentor.
comment by fredo on June 13, 2010 9:36 AM ()
There is no better teacher than experience. I learned more from being a teacher than I did being a student! By the way, I became a teacher because of all the bad teachers I had. I said, "I can teach better than he does". So I set out to prove it. The rest is history!
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:34 PM ()
"In the old days" they taught to think and it worked pretty good--seriously, I think the whole education system fell apart at about the time they started to teach 'new math' and teach to the test.

Just recently Florida wanted to introduce that no tenure idea plus hiring teachers on a year to year basis and many other stipulations that would discourage many good teachers from entering the field to losing many good ones now in the field--for a change the governor was smart and veteod it--and he got hell from the republicans
comment by greatmartin on June 13, 2010 9:16 AM ()
Yes, I read that about Florida's teachers. Someday, a solution may be found.
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:31 PM ()
It sounds like a horrible idea to me. I wonder how long it is going to last, but I'm sure the education system in Colorado is going to get a lot worse before it recovers from this.
comment by kitchentales on June 13, 2010 8:44 AM ()
I don't know. I've seen a lot of really bad teachers that needed to be run out of education. Thanks for stopping by.
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:29 PM ()
Perhaps it is the tests that ought to be modified. In any case, "bad" teachers being measured by how high students test is only part of it. Let's measure what the teachers themselves actually know and how their own psychology benefits or does not benefit the students. Power-hungry martinets are bad for students. Lazy teachers, teachers who have little common sense--these are all bad. Maybe the entrance exams for accreditation should be modified.
comment by tealstar on June 13, 2010 8:22 AM ()
All good ideas, probably most of which have been tried. I used to think that no matter what methods were used, students have limits to their abilities. But after the math teacher (Escalante) in Calif. proved his students could achieve incredible scores on calculus exams, I've changed my mind. The sky is the limit!
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:26 PM ()
Having never been a class room teacher I just don't know but the one teacher I admired who used a discovery approach was constantly criticized.
As a speech pathologist, they stayed with me until their problem was solved and it usually took about a year of 3 times a week thirty minute
group sessions. As a counselor, progress was a lot less measurable. As a
psychometrist I administered tests such as the Wisk and the Stanford-Benet.
I usually found that the tested students were a lot smarter than the teachers gave them credit for, particularly the Native American kids. I was big on establishing rapport and giving the kids a snack before testing.
Some kids don't take time to eat before they come to school.
comment by elderjane on June 13, 2010 8:07 AM ()
So, the way to a student's brain is through his stomach? Gee, all this time I thought it was to get him to think! Thanks for you insight, Geri.
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:14 PM ()
I admire teachers. Most enter the profession all fired up and ready to make a difference, then the indifference of the student body and school system douses them in the face. No wonder some become jaded after many years and stop caring, but that is only some. Most try- and I don't think our standardized tests are necessarily a fair measure of a teacher's success. Without parents that actively encourage students and expect them to learn, I don't think our teacher's are well reflected by standardized tests.
comment by dragonflyby on June 13, 2010 7:42 AM ()
Thanks. I agree. I'll say no more.
reply by solitaire on June 14, 2010 4:11 PM ()
Left out a word there. Last sentence, ".. I don't think our teacher's EFFORTS are...".
reply by dragonflyby on June 13, 2010 7:43 AM ()

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