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Politics & Legal > Fact Vs. Law
 

Fact Vs. Law



“Where ignorance is bliss,” wrote Thomas Gray back in
the 18th Century, “’tis folly to be wise.”

But ignorance of
the law
may not be bliss.  The
crucial difference to consider is whether the ignorance or not knowing is of
the law or of a particular material fact. 

In English common law, the principle was ignorantia juris non excusat, which
meant that lack of knowledge about a legal requirement or prohibition is never
an excuse to a criminal charge.  This
made a lot more sense back in the time when the list of crimes essentially
represented current morality.  Examples
would be easily recognized sins such as murder or theft.  These are called malum in se, which means a crime or act which is inherently
immoral. 

These days we have many more offenses that result
from administrative or social regulation.  These are malum prohibitum, acts
which are crimes merely because they are prohibited by law but not necessarily
immoral.  Examples might include
jaywalking or speeding. 

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and that is even
if that old maxim is all one actually knows about the law.  So whether the law is malum in se or malum
prohibitum,
one cannot hide behind one’s blissful ignorance and expect to
be legally excused.

But ignorance of fact may be different.  At common law, ignorantia facti excusat meant that
ignorance of a material fact is an excuse.  Here’s an example:  you are an
innocent pedestrian on the street who happens to possess a concealed firearm
permit.  You hear running approaching
from behind you and, turning, see a wild-eyed man drawing closer to you and
pointing a gun at you.  You draw your
pistol to defend yourself and, when he keeps coming, at about ten feet you pull
the trigger and kill him.  Self-defense,
right?  Well, in actuality, the guy
wielding the gun was going after someone other than you who was walking
nearby.  Your mistake of fact would be
your potential bridge to your self-defense argument. 

It is because ignorance of a fact may be a
sufficient excuse that we have the relatively recent phenomenon called plausible deniability.  This is a means of protecting the guy at the
top from prosecution if he can reasonably claim that he had no idea (of a
material fact).   And if this sounds like
a movie you’ve seen recently, I’m sure you have. 

posted on Apr 6, 2013 2:48 PM ()

Comments:

I am living in the middle of Redneck hell down here and you suggest I am basing my response on one incident. You have to wade your way through the Confederate flags just to cross the street. Bergan Evans said it best, "An intellgent person lives in the modern world like a spy in an enemy camp." And please don't lecture me on my impressions. I have endured many unfortunate experiences but choose not to write about them. Meanwhile, the Florida sucks remark stands because Rick Scott makes it stand, Marco Rubio (now part of 14 senators opposing even a vote on the gun legislation) makes it stand. Voter suppression Rick Scott tried makes it stand. Eviction of seniors from trailer parks to favor developers (something that would not happen in New York) makes it stand. Did you know that if your trailer is over a certain age, it may not be moved? Those seniors got to be homeless in this "senior friendly" (oh, vomit) state.
comment by tealstar on Apr 8, 2013 6:43 PM ()
You need to move out here to Mormon paradise where you'd be surrounded by polygamists, religious nutcases, & the western version of the southern redneck, distinguishable only by the lack of a drawl. I really like the Evans quote.
reply by steeve on Apr 9, 2013 6:36 AM ()
Justice is undeniably blind but we do have some recourse. There are
Public Defenders and some lawyers do Pro Bono work. I enjoy reading these
blogs about the law.
comment by elderjane on Apr 7, 2013 8:42 AM ()
Justice is SUPPOSED to be blind, i.e., not based on what a person looks like. You seem to be saying that it is a bad thing, and I guess many people misread that maxim in that fashion as if being blind meant ignorant or oblivious to the truth.
reply by steeve on Apr 7, 2013 6:58 PM ()
You're thinking I over-reacted to a scholarly treatise? Remember, strict adherence to a law without attention to the peculiarities of a case, can cause needless misery. It is that I rail against. Also, now that Ed is doing guardian work, I hear his stories of judges following the law so strictly that scheming relatives get to warehouse a parent, sell the house from under them, and disappear with the proceeds and all because of red tape.
comment by tealstar on Apr 7, 2013 7:42 AM ()
To answer your question, yes, I think you over-reacted. The Zimmerman case is insufficient grounds from which to conclude that "Florida sucks." Plus, re Ed's tales, you just can't indict an entire justice system based on a few horror stories. O.J. lives!!!
reply by steeve on Apr 7, 2013 7:03 PM ()
wheels within wheels. the Zimmerman case is an example where the law works against the innocent. he had no cause, other than his paranoia, to feel threatened by the kid he stalked and killed because he "looked suspicious". the stand your ground law is an excuse for militant racists to act out their frustrations. florida sucks.
comment by tealstar on Apr 7, 2013 7:15 AM ()
Wow. Sorry, I didn't mean to push your anti-whatever button.
reply by steeve on Apr 7, 2013 7:27 AM ()
I liked the example you've provided for ignorantia facti excusat - fits with the times.
comment by troutbend on Apr 6, 2013 3:31 PM ()

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