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Gay couples blast federal Defense of Marriage Act





(Boston) Gay married couples suing the government over a federal law that doesn’t recognize same-sex unions say there is “no legitimate or plausible” reason for having a federal definition of marriage that excludes gay couples.


 



The lawsuit was brought by seven gay couples and three widowers, all of whom were married in Massachusetts after it became the first state in the country to legalize gay marriage in 2004.
In court documents filed Tuesday, the couples say the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) violates the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution because it denies them access to federal benefits given to other married couples, including pensions, health insurance and the ability to file joint tax returns. They argue that the law “eviscerates” the historic power of the states to establish criteria for marriage.
“DOMA marks a stark, and unique, departure from the respect and recognition the federal government has long afforded to State marital status determinations,” lawyers for Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders argue in a written response to the U.S. Department of Justice motion to dismiss the lawsuit.
In a court filing in September, Justice officials made it clear that the Obama administration thinks the law is discriminatory and should be repealed. But the department said it has an obligation to defend federal laws when they are challenged in court.
The law, enacted in 1996, was passed by Congress at a time when it appeared Hawaii would become the first state to legalize same-sex marriage. Opponents worried that other states would be forced to recognize such marriages.
In addition to Massachusetts, gay marriage is now legal in Vermont, Connecticut and Iowa. New Hampshire’s law takes effect Jan. 1. Earlier this month, voters in Maine repealed a state law that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed.
A spokeswoman for the Justice Department had no immediate comment on the latest court filing by the same-sex couples.
In its written response to the lawsuit, filed in September, the Justice Department argued that there is no fundamental right to marriage-based federal benefits and says Congress is entitled to address issues of social reform on an “incremental” basis.
“Congress is therefore permitted to provide benefits only to those who have historically been permitted to marry, without extending the same benefit to those only recently permitted to do so,” the government said.
The couples who brought the lawsuit are asking U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro to reject the government’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit and to find in their favor without a trial. Specifically, the group is asking for a ruling that the section of the law that excludes same-sex couples from federal marriage-based benefits is unconstitutional, as applied to the couples who brought the lawsuit.
Such a ruling would mean that those couples would be eligible for the benefits they have been denied. The ruling also would likely extend to other Massachusetts couples.
“If we won, then it would be unconstitutional to deny access to these programs to other married same-sex couples in Massachusetts,” said Mary Bonauto, one of the attorneys representing the couples.
It would take a ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court or an act of Congress to strike down the law.
A bill to repeal the law was introduced in the U.S. House in September, but has little chance of making it to a vote this year.








  • matt87 Said: November 17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm


    • The states rights argument exposes conservatives for hypocrisy.







  • Jeannie Said: November 17th, 2009 at 6:17 pm


    • States Rights my Aunt Fanny. Since when do they supercede human rights?







  • DaveW Said: November 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pm


    • matt87, actually it only exposes the false conservatives fighting for theocratic rule.
      No conservative is against equal rights. No conservative would ever, ever vote for DOMA.
      No conservative would be anti choice for that matter.
      In fact, Scalia comes off looking like quite the liberal, in his dissent in Lawrence he made some twisted argument that the government does have a valid role in controlling what we do..sounding very much like the liberal advocate wanting to ban smoking or alcohol, or the liberal mindset that says government, not the people, know best.
      These people are very bad conservatives.
      The republicans used to be conservative, for states rights, small government, strong military, strong business climate.
      But then they needed the religious right to win elections, and in came all these liberal ideas.
      At least that was what I learned in school. I think the only thing conservative about them is their resistance to change…not wanting to accept society has moved beyond the distaste of us.
      But really when I look at the current political landscape, it is upside down. I think we have bastardized these terms to the point they don’t mean what they used to.
      How could a whole group advocating for a theorcracy be conservative.
      At least this conservative is for equal rights, for small government, for open and free abortions (reduce the welfare state) for free association including marriage and for letting Americans decide what is best for them….a truly American conservative value.
      I just can’t go around telling people I’m conservative anymore because they associate that with bigotry and other beliefs I do not hold.
      I think we need better civics education in school. I was taught this, it was part of the curriculum, but when I talk to people conservative = old values, liberal = new, open, do what you want values.
      Maybe those are social definitions but they certainly are not political definitions.
      True conservatives would be appalled that someone on the supreme court would be for the government contolling sex.
      True conservatives would have been appalled at Bush appointing so many cultists to the bench.
      Maybe this is why jurists appointed by “liberal” presidents always seem to end up fairly conservative and vice-versa. Its a confusion over defnitions, it seems.







  • Patrick Garies Said: November 17th, 2009 at 8:32 pm


    • DaveW, the only thing “conservative” stands for today is theocracy and corporatism.
      I’m a bit curious when it used to be anything different and who the true conservatives are since I never see examples cited.
      “The republicans used to be conservative, for states rights, small government, strong military, strong business climate.”
      Both parties are for States rights, but only when it’s convenient.







  • Patrick Garies Said: November 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pm


    • Blegh, it posted before I was finished…
      DaveW, the only thing “conservative” stands for today is theocracy and corporatism.
      I’m a bit curious when it used to be anything different and who the true conservatives are since I never see examples cited.
      “The republicans used to be conservative, for states rights, small government, strong military, strong business climate.”
      Both parties are for States rights, but only when it’s convenient. As far as I’m aware, Republicans were never for small government except when it was convenient (for corporations and religionists). They’ve always been and still are for the military since that benefits corporations. And, of course, they are for a good business climate, but only for a small group that can reap the benefits before the short-term benefits go sour and wreck things for everyone else.







  • bystander Said: November 17th, 2009 at 11:18 pm


    • This lawsuit and the Prop 8 Lawsuit are ill advised, i very much doubt that there is a plausible majority on the supreme court to overturn a state ban on gay marriage or doma. Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito won’t vote to overturn, and i doubt Kennedy will either. The only result from these lawsuits is for legal precedent to be written that further entrenched the status quo…..







  • Facebook User Said: November 18th, 2009 at 1:42 am


    • Remember all who voted in these Republican Theofascists…
      in a Theocracy… bigotry, including genocide is legal.
      Welcome to Germany folks.








  • Drewski Said: November 18th, 2009 at 5:22 am


    • Eventually, all this crap is going to be history. It offends the hell outta me that three widowers are forced to continue this battle, but I am very grateful to them. The bigots and social fossils who have perpetuated a violation of the Constitution will have history make asses of them. This is a matter of time–but like many other people, here and everywhere in the country, I see no reason and no justification to still be considered not good enough.
      I have no doubt that the current court doesn’t want the case if they can avoid it. Why? How do you come up with a way to justify selective nullification of the Full Faith and Credit clause? How do you justify Federal incursion on states’ rights, especially when the historical trend has been that the Feds require greater equality, not less? Upholding DOMA, especially argued on any specific point, pretty much drives a giant hole into existing civil rights law. Now you can have a separate and lesser standard; now you can exclude this group or that. Upholding DOMA will very likely have some nasty repercussions for both the GOP and the Catholic Church, not to mention the anger at Dems for allowing gay civil rights to essentially come to a vote in SCOTUS.
      The broadly-accepted descriptions of liberal and conservative are being shaken up in the US. Most people seem to have a preference for a government of social liberalism (perhaps better described as pragmatism) and fiscal conservatism (where a government can explain how its budget is balanced in fact, not just in its own fiction-spinning jargon). In California, for example, neither party is willing to match the state revenue structure to the services provided–because both parties have been buying off voters. In Ohio and Michigan, significant segments of the Dem caucuses have been pushing for more restrictions on abortion at the same time they demand still more Federal money to fix their long-term fiscal problems–never mind that Ohio’s largest county, Cuyahoga, has lost 400,000 people in the last 40 years, yet it still manages 60 municipalities, 30-odd school districts, 12 municipal court systems, 9 library systems, and at least 3 regional agencies. Why should anybody help a placewhere people insist on over-governing themselves to the point of emptying a major urban area?
      Oddly enough, if the Court does overturn DOMA, it could have worse consequences for the Dems than for the GOP. Obama seems to have taken lessons from the ghost of Strom Thurmond in how to be a sly obstructionist. Every advance we’ve had in his administration has generally been no thanks to him. With the gay issue out of the way, the GOP can say they have to deal with the cards SCOTUS dealt them, then proceed to remind voters that the Dems delayed just as long as the GOP did. Obama is the first black President, and there will be MANY Republicans who will take their victory in reminding the public that Obama was on the wrong side of history–a black President who had to be forced by the courts to broaden the law, no different than any Republican candidate on the scene.







  • Yhitzak Said: November 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am


    • I’ve read through the text of the Defense of Marriage Act several times, and in spite of my best efforts to see it otherwise, I see it as an infringement on states’ rights by defining the terms “marriage” and “spouse” in a federal context. Yes, there is language that specifies that no state/jurisdiction owes any other state/jurisdiction respect for their marriage laws, but the federal definitions of aforementioned words strike me as being patently against states’ individual rights. The way I read it, DOMA effectively prevents any individual state from defining “marriage” or “spouse” in its own legal context. Secondly, DOMA was passed in response to legislation that was considered in the state of Hawaii; it was an over-the-top response to one piece of legislation that had the potential to be passed by one state. From its very conception, DOMA has never been anything other than a blatantly discriminatory and patently un-Constitutional piece of legislation.
      A quick word about democracy: the power of any law is directly corollary to the will of the person/people who is/are in a position to enforce it. Additionally, there is a social respect for not just DOMA as a law, but there is a social respect for the discrimination that it embodies. I won’t say that America hates The Gay (because I don’t think that’s entirely accurate), but on a policy level, there is a serious disconnection between any given politician or voter’s personal beliefs and the reality that we as citizens must live with.







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