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Helloooooooo!!!!!!!!!! And so the FAA was monitoring this flying human stuffed torpedo and watching it head toward the White House and the Air Force was kept out of the loop?
Righto!
Notice the youtube vid below (end) of Dick Cheney on Radio clearly stating that Bin Laden was NOT responsible for 9-11 and they never said he was!!! --whereabouts
https://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010916.html
09/16/2001
The Vice President appears on Meet the Press with Tim Russert
MR. TIM RUSSERT: And we are Greentop in the shadows of the
presidential retreat at Camp David. Mr. Vice President, good morning
and welcome.
VICE PRES. DICK CHENEY: Good morning, Tim.
MR. RUSSERT: This is the first television program to originate
from here, which underscores the seriousness of our discussion this
morning. The president, the vice president, the national security team
have been meeting for the last 36 hours. What can you share with the
American people this morning?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, Tim, this is the first chance we've
had really since the events this week to sit down and really focus on
various plans and propositions, things we ought to be doing going
forward. Up till now it's been focused very much on trying to manage
the crisis and to deal with the problems of the immediate situation.
But yesterday we've been able to come up and get everybody together, a
lot of work done, staff work done in preparation for it and sit down
and really spend some time looking at what our strategy ought to be and
how we ought to proceed.
MR. RUSSERT: When the president went to the World Trade Center
on Friday he said, "The people who did this will hear from all of us
soon." There's an expectation in the country that we're about to pay
back big time, quickly. What should the American people think or feel
about that?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think the important thing here, Tim, is
for people to understand that, you know, things have changed since last
Tuesday. The world shifted in some respects. Clearly, what we're faced
with here is a situation where terrorism is struck home in the United
States. We've been subject to targets of terrorist attacks before,
especially overseas with our forces and American personnel overseas,
but this time because of what happened in New York and what happened in
Washington, it's a qualitatively different set of circumstances.
It's also important for people to understand that this is a
long-term proposition. It's not like, well, even Desert Storm where we
had a buildup for a few months, four days of combat, and it was over
with. This is going to be the kind of work that will probably take
years because the focus has to be not just on any one individual, the
problem here is terrorism. And even in this particular instance, it
looks as though the responsible organization was a group called
al-Qaida. It's Arabic for "The Base."
MR. RUSSERT: That's Osama bin Laden.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: He headed it up and organized it, but it's a
very broad, kind of loose coalition of groupings that includes not only
his forces but it also includes, for example, Islamic Jihad from Egypt.
It includes a movement from is Uzbekistan. The groups that are
terrorist organizations, people that oftentimes move around them,
sometimes share common ideologies that operate on a worldwide basis.
And what we have to do is take down those networks of terrorist
organizations, and as say I think this is going to be a struggle that
the United States is going to be involved in for the foreseeable
future. There's not going to be an end date that we say, "There, it's
all over with." It's going to require constant vigilance on our part to
avoid problems in the future, but it's also going to require a major
effort and, obviously, quite possibly use of military force.
MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that anyone who participated in
the events on Tuesday or, in fact, even in a support role, or on a
plane that wasn't successfully hijacked, are they still at large in the
United States?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don't know. The possibility clearly
exists that there could be additional terrorists out there that were
part of this operation that maybe got cold feet and didn't get on the
airplane, or for one reason or another were thwarted in their efforts.
We have to assume that possibility exists. We had these 19 individuals
in the United States, some of them for several years, training,
preparing, getting ready for this operation and we can by no means
assume now that that's all there is. There may well be other operations
that have been planned and are, in fact, in the works.
MR. RUSSERT: When the president said, "Everyone in uniform get
ready," did that--does that suggest a massive call-up of reserves?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We've had some reserve call-up. We called
up, of course, 35,000 reservists. We felt that was important to do
here. I think the way to think about it, Tim, is to think about the
target and what our objectives are here. Obviously, we're interested in
individuals who were directly involved in planning, coordinating,
ordering the attack. And--but those tend to be individuals or small
groupings of individuals, cells, perhaps, various places around the
world. We need to go find them and root them out. And--but we
also--what's different here, what's changed in terms of U.S. policy, is
the president's determination to also go after those nations and
organizations and people that lend support to these terrorist
operators.
If you've got a nation out there now that has provided a base,
training facilities, a sanctuary, as has been true, for example, in
this case, probably with Afghanistan, then they have to understand, and
others like them around the world have to understand, that if you
provide sanctuary to terrorists, you face the full wrath of the United
States of America. And that we will, in fact, aggressively go after
these nations to make certain that they cease and desist from providing
support for these kinds of organizations.
MR. RUSSERT: Full wrath. That's a very strong statement to the Afghans this morning.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: It is, indeed. It is, indeed.
MR. RUSSERT: The president said that Osama bin Laden was the prime suspect. Why?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: There is just a lot of evidence to link his
organization, the al-Qaida organization, and he is the head of
al-Qaida, to this operation. There are some ties, for example, to some
of the people involved here back to the U.S.S. Cole bombing in Yemen.
We're able to tell--going back now looking at relationships and the way
they've operated in the past, we're quite confident that, in fact, as
the president said, he is the prime suspect. That doesn't mean we know
all there is to know yet. That doesn't mean there weren't others
involved. As I mentioned, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad has a very close
working relationship with this organization. So there may well be
others. We want to continue to investigate aggressively to make sure
we've wrapped up and understand fully all who were involved. But
clearly, the evidence at this point takes us very much in that
direction.
MR. RUSSERT: You have no doubt that Osama bin Laden played some role in this.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I have no doubt that he and his organization played a significant role in this.
MR. RUSSERT: Were you surprised by the precision and sophistication of the operation?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, certainly, we were surprised in the
sense that, you know, there had been information coming in that a big
operation was planned, but that's sort of a trend that you see all the
time in these kinds of reports. But we didn't...
MR. RUSSERT: No specific threat?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No specific threat involving really a
domestic operation or involving what happened, obviously, the cities,
airliner and so forth. We did go on alert with our overseas forces a
number of times during the course of the summer when we thought the
threat level had risen significantly. So clearly, we were surprised by
what happened here. On the other hand, in terms of the sophistication
of it, it's interesting to look at, because clearly what happened is
you got some people committed to die in the course of the operation,
you got them visas, you got them entered into the United States. They
came here. Some of them enrolled in our commercial aviation schools and
learned to fly, courtesy of our own capabilities here in the United
States. Then what they needed in order to execute was some degree of
coordination, obviously, in terms of timing. But they needed knives,
cardboard cutters, razor blades, whatever it was, and an airline
ticket. And that's it. They then were able to take over the aircraft
and use our own, you know, heavily loaded with fuel large aircraft to
take over and use it.
MR. RUSSERT: Intentionally choosing planes that had lots of fuel and a few passengers?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: It certainly looks that way. And the--so the sophisticated--on
the one hand it's very simple. It doesn't involve a lot of hardware or
complex devices that they have to bring into the United States. They,
in effect, turned some of our own system against us, but its simplicity
does, in fact, also speak volumes in terms of planning, creativity,
ingenuity in terms of how they go about these kinds of operations.
MR. RUSSERT: We clearly will have to revisit our visa procedures.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We ought to look at all aspects of the
operation here in terms of what happened. Clearly there are going to be
a lot of lessons to be learned from it. But it's important for us, too,
not to get trapped into thinking if we just guard against another
situation where terrorists can hijack airplanes and use them to hit
vital targets in the U.S. that we've dealt with the problem. I'm sure
they're out there right now thinking about new, creative ways to come
after us that don't involve any of those techniques at all, but
something totally new.
MR. RUSSERT: Osama bin Laden released a training video, 100
minutes long, which was obtained by the Western media this summer, and
I want to show a portion of that to you and give you a chance to
respond to it, and we'll play it right now. These are followers of his
chanting, "We have to fight every day, even to the shedding of blood in
God's righteous path." There he is himself with his own rifle. They go
on to say, "We thank God for granting us victory the day we destroyed
the Cole in the sea." That's the U.S.S. destroyer that was hit last
year. Those are his supporters marching. There you are as secretary of
Defense visiting Saudi Arabia, used in this video to rally support for
Osama bin Laden. And bin Laden himself, "We have to practice the way of
the suicidal commandos of faith and the heroism of the resistance
fighter and we refuse their culture and we will take advantage of their
misfortunes and the blood of their wounded." He goes on to say, Mr.
Secretary, that, "With small capabilities we can defeat the U.S.
America is much weaker than it appears." What's your message this
morning to Osama bin Laden?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I think he seriously misreads the
American people. I think the--I mean, you have to ask yourself, why
somebody would do what he does. Why is someone so motivated? Obviously
he's filled with hate for the United States and for everything we stand
for...
MR. RUSSERT: Why?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: ...freedom and democracy.
MR. RUSSERT: Why does he hate us so much?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: It must have something to do with his
background, his own upbringing. He's the son of a prominent Saudi
family, successful business group with significant wealth. He went and
served in Afghanistan with the mujahedeen during the war against the
Russians, and he has, for whatever reason, developed this intense
hatred of everything that relates to the United States. And his
objective, obviously, is to try to influence our behavior to force us
to withdraw from that part of the world, and clearly he's not going to
be successful. And...
MR. RUSSERT: He has stated unequivocally that he wants the
United States out of the Middle East. He no longer wants the United
States to be the ally of Israel. Will our relationship with Israel
change in any way, shape or form because of this event?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. The fact of the matter is that
the--we'll not allow him to achieve his aims. We're not about to change
our policies or change our basic fundamental beliefs. What we are going
to do is aggressively go after Mr. bin Laden, obviously, and all of his
associates, and even if it takes a long time, I'm convinced eventually
we'll prevail.
MR. RUSSERT: There is an FBI wanted poster, and there he is
himself, wanted for the murder of US nationals outside the United
States. He's under indictment for his involvement in blowing up
embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. Could we say to the Afghanistan
government, "You are harboring a fugitive from justice. Give him over
in 48 hours or we're coming in and taking him"?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We could say such a thing.
MR. RUSSERT: Legally?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, legally certainly. I'll simply restate
again, Tim, I don't want to get into the business of predicting what
specific steps we will take. But without question, the president has
been very, very clear that to harbor terrorists is to, in effect,
accept a certain degree of guilt for the acts that they commit. And the
government of Afghanistan has to understand that we believe they have,
indeed, been harboring a man who committed, and whose organization
committed, this most recent egregious act.
MR. RUSSERT: You're convinced he's still in Afghanistan?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don't know.
MR. RUSSERT: Is there any international law or United States law which would prohibit us from killing him if we found him?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Not in my estimation, Tim. But I'd have to
check with the lawyers on that, obviously. Lawyers always have a role
to play, but one of the intriguing things here is the way in which
people have rallied around, other governments have rallied around this
notion that, in fact, this is a war. We've seen our NATO allies for the
first time in history invoke Article 5, an attack against one is an
attack against all. It's never before been done. They unanimously
agreed to that proposition earlier this week in Brussels.
I think the world increasingly will understand what we have
here are a group of barbarians, that they threaten all of us, that the
U.S. is the target at the moment, but one of the things to remember is
if you look at the roster of countries who lost people in the bombing
in New York, over 40 countries have had someone killed or have
significant numbers missing. The British, for example, have an
estimated 100 dead and 500 to 700 still missing. So it's an attack not
just upon the United States but upon, you know, civilized society.
MR. RUSSERT: A very important country in all this is Pakistan,
on the border of Afghanistan. Pakistan--there are reports on the wires
today--has sent a delegation to the Taliban government in Afghanistan
saying it's time to turn Osama bin Laden over. The Pakistan government
is also saying to its people this morning, "We will get more aid from
the United States. The United States will lift economic sanctions
against us. And we've been given assurances that the Indian government
and the Israeli government will not be part of any military operation
based in Pakistan." Can you confirm that?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I've seen some communication back and forth
at this point. Let me simply say we have had discussions with the Paks.
President Bush called President Musharraf just yesterday afternoon from
Camp David. They've had a good conversation. We have made certain
requests of the Pakistanis. They have agreed to work with us in this
endeavor, and some of that's covered in the statement they've made
there.
MR. RUSSERT: They will get more assistance from us.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we'd like to be able to work with them.
You've got to remember, Pakistan's been a close friend and ally of the
United States in the past. The relationship's been somewhat
strained in recent years primarily because congressionally imposed
sanctions have had an adverse effect, clearly, on the relationship, and
the sanctions were imposed as the Pakistanis developed nuclear weapons.
But we're clearly in a situation here where that relationship is
important. It's important to us. It's important to Pakistan. Pakistan
borders Afghanistan; they one of only three countries that have
diplomatic relations with the Taliban in Afghanistan. They can be very
helpful in this case, and we expect they will be.
MR. RUSSERT: And there's nothing wrong with providing economic rewards for helpful behavior.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think you're going to want both the carrot and the stick approach.
MR. RUSSERT: Pakistan also has a nuclear capability. How
dangerous is it for that government to come out against Osama bin Laden
or be helpful to the United States? Are we concerned about
destabilizing Pakistan with nuclear capability, a capability that could
fall in the hands of the Taliban or Osama bin Laden?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we're clearly very sensitive to those
kinds of problems. Any time you're dealing in that part of the world in
the Middle East, the potential for instability always exists. You could
have a change in government in relatively short notice, and we're well
aware of all that. But it also--it's one of the reasons, frankly,
you'll see the al-Qaida organization, Osama bin Laden, choosing to
locate in that part of the world because it is an area of instability,
because there are places that nobody really controls. And those are the
areas we're going to have to operate in if we're going to be
successful.
And again, the key here to keep in mind is that what we're
asking nations to do, and which the Paks have clearly made a decision
to do, is we're asking nations to step up and be counted. They're going
to have to decide. Are they going to stand with the United States and
believe in freedom and democracy and civilization, or are they going to
stand with the terrorists and the barbarians, if you will? And it's a
fairly clear-cut choice. And I'm delighted to see that Pakistan has, in
fact, stepped up to the task.
MR. RUSSERT: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan--three critical
countries in the Middle East, who have been somewhat supportive of the
United States. They also have segments of their population that look at
Osama bin Laden as a hero. If we demand that they support us, do we
risk destabilizing those governments?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No, I think you've got to recognize from
the standpoint of the Saudis, for example, they're a prime target for
this organization of terrorists, Osama bin Laden. He adamantly opposes
the Saudi royal family. Probably second only to the United States would
be his hatred for the current government in Saudi Arabia. With respect
to Egypt, for example, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, these are groups and
organizations that have threatened the government of Egypt in the past.
President Mubarak's been the target of several assassination attempts
during the course of his career; some of them promulgated by these
kinds of groups and organizations. So I think governments, friends of
the United States, the governments you mentioned, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi
Arabia, etc., they understand very clearly that it's as much in their
interest as it is in ours that we end these kinds of activities and
that we put a stop to this kind of international terrorism. And I think
they'll be prepared to help us.
MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Vice President, how difficult and delicate is
it to send this message that we're going to uproot terrorism and Osama
bin Laden and some other cells, but that this is not a war against
Islam and not a war against all Arab people?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We have to continually remind folks of
that. The president has been very clear, and it would be a huge mistake
for we as Americans to assume that this represents some kind of--or
should lead us to some kind of condemnation of Islam. It's clearly not
the case. This is a perversion, if you will, of some of these religious
beliefs by an extremist group. We have extremists associated with, you
know, every imaginable religion in the world. But this is by no means a
war against Islam. We've got a great many Arab Americans, for example,
who are first class, loyal American citizens. We need to make certain
that we don't make the mistake of assuming that everybody who comes
from a certain ethnic group or certain religious background is somehow
to be blamed for this. Clearly, that's not the case. They are as
appalled by it as we are.
MR. RUSSERT: When Osama bin Laden took responsibility for
blowing up the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, U.S. embassies, several
hundred died, the United States launched 60 tomahawk missiles into his
training sites in Afghanistan. It only emboldened him. It only inspired
him and seemed even to increase his recruitment. Is it safe to say that
that kind of response is not something we're considering, in that kind
of minute magnitude?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I'm going to be careful here, Tim, because
I--clearly it would be inappropriate for me to talk about operational
matters, specific options or the kinds of activities we might undertake
going forward. We do, indeed, though, have, obviously, the world's
finest military. They've got a broad range of capabilities. And they
may well be given missions in connection with this overall task and
strategy.
We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you
will. We've got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world.
A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly,
without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to
our intelligence agencies, if we're going to be successful. That's the
world these folks operate in, and so it's going to be vital for us to
use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective.
MR. RUSSERT: There have been restrictions placed on the United
States intelligence gathering, reluctance to use unsavory characters,
those who violated human rights, to assist in intelligence gathering.
Will we lift some of those restrictions?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Oh, I think so. I think the--one of the
by-products, if you will, of this tragic set of circumstances is that
we'll see a very thorough sort of reassessment of how we operate and
the kinds of people we deal with. There's--if you're going to deal only
with sort of officially approved, certified good guys, you're not going
to find out what the bad guys are doing. You need to be able to
penetrate these organizations. You need to have on the payroll some
very unsavory characters if, in fact, you're going to be able to learn
all that needs to be learned in order to forestall these kinds of
activities. It is a mean, nasty, dangerous dirty business out there,
and we have to operate in that arena. I'm convinced we can do it; we
can do it successfully. But we need to make certain that we have not
tied the hands, if you will, of our intelligence communities in terms
of accomplishing their mission.
MR. RUSSERT: These terrorists play by a whole set of different
rules. It's going to force us, in your words, to get mean, dirty and
nasty in order to take them on, right? And they should realize there
will be more than simply a pinprick bombing.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah, the--I think it's--the thing that I
sense--and, of course, that's only been a few days, but I have never
seen such determination on the part of--well, my colleagues in
government, on the part of the American people, on the part of our
friends and allies overseas, and even on the part of some who are not
ordinarily deemed friends of the United States, determined in this
particular instance to shift and not be tolerant any longer of these
kinds of actions or activities.
MR. RUSSERT: Even if we take out Osama bin Laden, that will not stop terrorism.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. No. He's the target at the moment. But I
don't want to convey the impression that somehow, you know, if we had
his head on a platter today, that that would solve the problem. It
won't. You've got this organization, as I say, called al-Qaida.
It's--somebody described it the other day as--it's like an Internet
chat room, that people who come and participate in it, for one reason
or another, engage in terrorism, have sometimes different motives and
ideologies, but the tactics they use, the way they operate, their
targets, that will continue until we go out, basically, and make the
world unsafe for terrorists. And that's a key part of the strategy, in
terms of working aggressively with those nations that have previously
provided support and sustenance and sanctuary, to see to it that they
no longer do that.
MR. RUSSERT: You wouldn't mind having his head on a platter.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I would take it today.
MR. RUSSERT: Saddam Hussein, your old friend, his government had
this to say: "The American cowboy is rearing the fruits of crime
against humanity." If we determine that Saddam Hussein is also
harboring terrorists, and there's a track record there, would we have
any reluctance of going after Saddam Hussein?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No.
MR. RUSSERT: Do we have evidence that he's harboring terrorists?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: There is--in the past, there have been some
activities related to terrorism by Saddam Hussein. But at this stage,
you know, the focus is over here on al-Qaida and the most recent events
in New York. Saddam Hussein's bottled up, at this point, but clearly,
we continue to have a fairly tough policy where the Iraqis are
concerned.
MR. RUSSERT: Do we have any evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to this operation?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No.
MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to the events of Tuesday. Where were
you when you first learned a plane had struck the World Trade Center?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I was in my office Tuesday morning.
Monday, I had been in Kentucky, and the president had been in the White
House. Tuesday, our roles were sort of reversed. He was in Florida, and
I was in the White House Tuesday morning. And a little before 9, my
speechwriter came in. We were going to go over some speeches coming up.
And my secretary called in just as we were starting to meet just before
9:00 and said an airplane had hit the World Trade Center, and that was
the first one that went in. So we turned on the television and watched
for a few minutes, and then actually saw the second plane hit the World
Trade Center. And the--as soon as that second plane showed up, that's
what triggered the thought: terrorism, that this was an attack...
MR. RUSSERT: You sensed it immediately, "This is deliberate"?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. Then I convened in my office. Condi
Rice came down. Her office is right near mine there in the West Wing.
MR. RUSSERT: The national security adviser.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: National security adviser, my chief of staff,
Scooter Libby, Mary Matalin, who works for me, convened in my office,
and we started talking about getting the Counterterrorism Task Force up
and operating. I talked with the president. I'd given word to Andy
Card's staff, who is right next door, to get hold of Andy and/or the
president and that I wanted to talk to him as soon as they could hook
it up. This call came in, and the president knew at this point about
that. We discussed a statement that he might make, and the first
statement he made describing this as an act of apparent terrorism
flowed out of those conversations. While I was there, over the next
several minutes, watching developments on the television and as we
started to get organized to figure out what to do, my Secret Service
agents came in and, under these circumstances, they just move. They
don't say "sir" or ask politely. They came in and said, "Sir, we have
to leave immediately," and grabbed me and...
MR. RUSSERT: Literally grabbed you and moved you?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. And, you know, your feet touch the
floor periodically. But they're bigger than I am, and they hoisted me
up and moved me very rapidly down the hallway, down some stairs,
through some doors and down some more stairs into an underground
facility under the White House, and, as a matter of fact, it's a
corridor, locked at both ends, and they did that because they had
received a report that an airplane was headed for the White House.
MR. RUSSERT: This is Flight 77, which had left Dulles.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Which turned out to be Flight 77. It left
Dulles, flown west towards Ohio, been captured by the terrorists. They
turned off the transponder, which led to a later report that a plane
had gone down in Ohio, but it really hadn't. Of course, then they
turned back and headed back towards Washington. As best we can tell,
they came initially at the White House and...
MR. RUSSERT: The plane actually circled the White House?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Didn't circle it, but was headed on a track
into it. The Secret Service has an arrangement with the F.A.A. They had
open lines after the World Trade Center was...
MR. RUSSERT: Tracking it by radar.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: And when it entered the danger zone and
looked like it was headed for the White House was when they grabbed me
and evacuated me to the basement. The plane obviously didn't hit the
White House. It turned away and, we think, flew a circle and came back
in and then hit the Pentagon. And that's what the radar track looks
like. The result of that--once I got down into the shelter, the first
thing I did--there's a secure phone there. First thing I did was pick
up the telephone and call the president again, who was still down in
Florida, at that point, and strongly urged him to delay his return.
MR. RUSSERT: You told him to stay away from Washington.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I said, `Delay your return. We don't know
what's going on here, but it looks like, you know, we've been
targeted.'
MR. RUSSERT: Why did you make that judgment?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, it goes to--you know, sort of my basic
role as vice president is to worry about presidential succession. And
my job, above all other things, is to be prepared to take over if
something happens to the president. But over the years from my time
with President Ford, as secretary of Defense, on the Intel Committee
and so forth, I've been involved in a number of programs that were
aimed at ensuring presidential succession. We did a lot of planning
during the Cold War, Tim, with respect to the possibility of a nuclear
incident. And one of the key requirements always is to protect the
presidency. It's not about George Bush or Dick Cheney. It's about the
occupant in the office.
And one of the things that we did later on that day were tied
directly to guaranteeing presidential succession, and that our enemies,
whoever they might be, could not decapitate the federal government and
leave us leaderless in a moment of crisis. That's why, for example,
when we have a State of the Union speech and we've got the entire
government assembled--the president, vice president, congressional
leaders, Cabinet and so forth--we always leave a Cabinet member out.
He's always taken to a secure location and set up there in case
something should happen in the House chambers so we still have a
president.
MR. RUSSERT: Did you have any role in Speaker Hastert...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yes.
MR. RUSSERT: ...speaker of the House being taken away?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We evacuated Speaker Hastert to a secure
facility, and later, the rest of the congressional leadership. I also
ordered the evacuation of Cabinet members. And so we sent Tommy
Thompson, Ann Veneman, Gale Norton also up to a secure facility. And in
the days since, we've always maintained to say--I've spent a good deal
of my time up at Camp David since the president returned to the White
House just so we weren't both together in the same place so we could
ensure the survival of the government.
The president was on Air Force One. We received a threat to Air Force One--came through the Secret Service...
MR. RUSSERT: A credible threat to Air Force One. You're convinced of that.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I'm convinced of that. Now, you know, it may
have been phoned in by a crank, but in the midst of what was going on,
there was no way to know that. I think it was a credible threat, enough
for the Secret Service to bring it to me. Once I left that immediate
shelter, after I talked to the president, urged him to stay away for
now, well, I went down into what's call a PEOC, the Presidential
Emergency Operations Center, and there, I had Norm Mineta...
MR. RUSSERT: Secretary of Transportation.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: ...secretary of Transportation, access to the
FAA. I had Condi Rice with me and several of my key staff people. We
had access, secured communications with Air Force One, with the
secretary of Defense over in the Pentagon. We had also the secure
videoconference that ties together the White House, CIA, State,
Justice, Defense--a very useful and valuable facility. We have the
counterterrorism task force up on that net. And so I was in a position
to be able to see all the stuff coming in, receive reports and then
make decisions in terms of acting with it.
But when I arrived there within a short order, we had word the
Pentagon's been hit. We had word the State Department had been bombed,
that a car bomb had gone off at the State Department. Turned out not to
be true, but we didn't know that at the time. We had a report that Norm
had provided that there were six airplanes that might have been
hijacked, and that's what we started working off of, was that list of
six.
Now we could account for two of them in New York. The third
one we didn't know what had happened to it. It turned out it had hit
the Pentagon. But the first reports on the Pentagon attack suggested a
helicopter, and then later, a private jet, and it was only after we got
ahold of some eyewitnesses that we knew it was an American Airlines
flight. So then we had three planes accounted for, but we still have
had three outstanding.
We had reports of planes down in Ohio, turned out not to be
true; down in Pennsylvania; turned out that was true. And all of
that--excuse me--added with the report of a perspective attack on Air
Force One itself, we'd have been absolute fools not to go into button
down mode, make sure we had successors evacuated, make sure the
president was safe and secure. Offutt was a good location for that
purpose, and also the president...
MR. RUSSERT: In Nebraska.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: In Nebraska.
MR. RUSSERT: Are you convinced there were only four hijackings,
that there were not other hijacks attempted that we don't know about?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I don't know. We know there were four, of
course. I don't think until we've completed our investigation, looked
at all the ties and relationships, we'll be able to say that there were
no other plans for additional planes.
MR. RUSSERT: When you made the recommendation to the
president, "Stay where you are, go to a secure facility in Nebraska,"
were you ever concerned, did it ever enter your thought process that
there would be criticism of the president for not coming back to
Washington during a crisis?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I didn't really think about it. I mean, it
was such a clear-cut case, in my estimation, that the most important
thing here is to preserve the presidency. We don't know what's
happening. We know Washington's under attack. We don't know by who, we
don't know how many additional planes are coming. We don't know what
all is planned for us, at this point. Within about 35 or 40 minutes,
we'd seen this unfolding of this monstrous terrorist attack, and it was
absolutely the right decision. I have no qualms about it at all. The
president wanted to come back. We talked repeatedly during the course
of the day. He made it clear he wanted him back as soon as we thought
it made sense. The Secret Service did not want him back. They even
talked to me to try to get me to evacuate a couple of times, but I
didn't want to leave the node that we'd established there, in terms of
having all of this capability tied together by communications where we
could, in fact, make decisions and act. And if I'd have left, gotten on
a helicopter and launched out of the White House, all of that would
have been broken down. And we had the presidential succession pretty
well guaranteed, so I thought it was appropriate for me to stay in the
White House.
MR. RUSSERT: Symbolisms are so important to terrorists. The
fact that George Bush stayed at the White House, you came to Camp
David. Are you concerned that that sends a mixed message to the
terrorists that they can disrupt our government, or do you err on the
side of caution and safety and keep the two key leaders separated?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we erred on the side of, I'd say,
responsibility. The--when something like this happens, we've got
certain obligations and responsibilities you've got to carry out. And
those took priority. They did for the president. They did for me. Also
with modern communications--I mean, the president was in touch
with me throughout the day. We talked repeatedly. He made some key
decisions that were very important to the operation. Once he got to
Offutt, he convened a meeting of the National Security Council again
using the secure video conference hookup and...
MR. RUSSERT: What's the most important decision you think he made during the course of the day?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the--I suppose the toughest decision
was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming
commercial aircraft.
MR. RUSSERT: And you decided?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a
flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which
is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a
long time. It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you
don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's
appropriate.
MR. RUSSERT: So if the United States government became aware
that a hijacked commercial airline was destined for the White House or
the Capitol, we would take the plane down?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yes. The president made the decision, on my
recommendation as well, wholeheartedly conquered in the decision he
made, that if the plane would not divert, if they wouldn't pay any
attention to instructions to move away from the city, as a last resort,
our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know,
that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an
airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by hostages,
captured by terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it
down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board? And you have to
ask yourself, "If we had had combat air patrol up over New York and
we'd had the opportunity to take out the two aircraft that hit the
World Trade Center, would we have been justified in doing that?" I
think absolutely we would have. Now, it turned out we did not have to
execute on that authorization. But there were some--a few moments when
we thought we might, when planes were incoming and we didn't know
whether or not they were a problem aircraft until they'd diverted and
gone elsewhere and been able to resolve it.
MR. RUSSERT: And that will be the policy of the United States in the future?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the president will, I'm sure, make a decision, if those circumstances arise again. It's a presidential-level
decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in
this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New
York."
MR. RUSSERT: More and more, Mr. Vice President, we're finding
out, it appears, that the fourth plane that crashed in Pennsylvania
crashed because of some real heroism by Americans. Jeremy Glick had
received a--called his wife to say he'd been hijacked. She informed him
that two planes had struck the World Trade Center. And he said, "I
think we have to do something."
VICE PRES. CHENEY: It's true. I think the Washington part of
the attack was significantly interfered with. I'm speculating. Some of
this is informed speculation; some of it's based on some evidence. But
clearly, we know the plane that crashed outside Pittsburgh was headed
for Washington. We know it was part of the scheme. Mr. Glick and
others--Mr. Burnett--were very courageous when they made that decision,
knowing that they were doomed.
MR. RUSSERT: And you've told his wife that, haven't you?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I called Mrs. Glick yesterday, as a matter of
fact. Haven't been able to reach Mrs. Burnett yet, but I'm going to
call her, too. And I'm sure there were probably others on the aircraft
who helped, but what they did was to foil, I think, the attack on
Washington. My guess is, speculation, that target probably would have
been the Capitol building. It's big; it's easy to hit. I think one of
the reasons that the White House did not get hit, I think it turned out
to be tougher to see than they had anticipated. When you come in from
the west, as American 77 did, unless you get up altitude a ways, you
can't see the White House because the Executive Office Building is
there.
MR. RUSSERT: And Treasury on the other side.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Treasury on the other side. And I'm
speculating that the lack of ability to be able to acquire it visually
may, in fact, have led them to go back.
MR. RUSSERT: Gave it up as a target...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah.
MR. RUSSERT: ...and went to the Pentagon, which is clearly visible?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: And went to the Pentagon instead. And
speculation on my part. We'll never know for sure. But without
question, the attack would have been much worse if it hadn't been for
the courageous acts of those individuals on United 93.
MR. RUSSERT: Two important symbols. Should the World Trade Center be rebuilt?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think we clearly want to redevelop that
area. Exactly what it ought to--what it ought to look like and what
will go in there, those are decisions that are going to have to be made
by New York officials. But the president's very interested in
supporting those efforts, and I'm absolutely convinced that that's the
right thing to do. We don't let terrorists prevail in this day and age.
MR. RUSSERT: Should Ronald Reagan National Airport be re-opened?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We've got to find ways to deal with that
problem. It's been controversial from time to time over the years. But,
of course, we've always kept Ronald Reagan open because of its
location. It's very convenient for people living in Washington. The
problem we have is, of course, that on the approach or takeoff from
Reagan, you fly right up the Potomac and you're within seconds or a
minute or two of being able to hit the White House, the Congress,
important facilities in Washington. And finding the way to deal with
those circumstances is going to have to precede, I think, a re-opening
of the airport.
MR. RUSSERT: So it may be closed for some time.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don't know yet. I mean, Norm Mineta is
working aggressively on this and--but we did--especially this week, we
wanted to be supercautious. As long as there was the possibility there
might be other teams out there that, in fact, planned the same kind of
operation that the terrorists undertook on Tuesday. We thought it was
prudent to keep it closed for now.
MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Vice President, we have to take a quick
break. We'll be right back with more of our discussion with Vice
President Dick Cheney. We're at Greentop in the shadows of Camp David.
Be right back.
(Announcements)
MR. RUSSERT: A lot more questions for the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney, right after this.
(Announcements)
MR. RUSSERT: And we are back talking to Vice President Dick
Cheney. He's been here at Camp David speaking with the president and
the national security team for the last 36 hours at least.
Mr. Vice President, a lot of discussion as to our
preparedness. The first hijacking was confirmed at 8:20, the Pentagon
was struck at 9:40, and yet, it seems we were not able to scramble
fighter jets in time to protect the Pentagon and perhaps even more than
that. There have been at least five serious reports on domestic
terrorism, how to cope with it, one given to you in May, Cheney to Lead
Anti-Terrorism Plan. Were we ready for this?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Were we ready for it? I think the agencies
responded very well once it happened. I think the courage and the
bravery of the men and women of New York, for example, the first
responders, if you will, fire and rescue teams, many of whom gave their
lives when the towers collapsed, was superb. I don't think you can take
anything away from them. But the problem you have here--I mean, if you
think about it from the standpoint of aircraft--do we train our pilots
to shoot down commercial airliners filled with American civilians? No.
That's not a mission they've ever been given before. Now we've got to
think about that.
With respect to the intelligence area, there'll be, I'm sure,
a lot of sort of Monday morning quarterbacking, second-guessing, if you
will, about whether or not there was an intelligence failure. Clearly,
we did not learn of this operation or we would have stopped it if we
had. But I think it's important to remember that our men and women in
the intelligence business out there all over the world 365 days a year,
defending and protecting us, oftentimes very successful, oftentimes in
ways we can never talk about, but we clearly need to do everything we
can to forestall those kinds of activities by improving our
intelligence capabilities, and this offers a lot of lessons learned.
At the same time, the key, though, is to go eliminate the
terrorists. We may never have 100 percent perfection in terms of our
intelligence capabilities to be able to penetrate and know about all
these kinds of operations--Timothy McVeigh, for example, in
Oklahoma City. But if we go after the terrorists, if we deny them
sanctuary, if we take out their bases and their locations where they
operate, that's probably the most effective way to deal with this
threat. But we have to recognize, no matter how good we are, no matter
how aggressively we pursue this, we're likely to be subject to that
partly by the very nature of our society. We're an open society, we
love it that way, that's very important to preserve that, and not to
let the terrorists win by turning ourselves into some kind of police
state.
MR. RUSSERT: The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee
said this is a failure of great dimension in terms of intelligence.
Will George Tenet remain as director of the CIA?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think George clearly should remain as
director of the CIA. I think--I've had great confidence in him. I've
watched him operate now and worked closely with him for the last seven
or eight months. I think he and his people do superb work for us. And I
think it would be a tragedy if somehow we were to go back now in the
search for scapegoats and say that George Tenet or any other official
ought to be eliminated at this point. I don't think you can say that.
MR. RUSSERT: When Air Force One returned to Washington, we saw it accompanied by fighter jets.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.
MR. RUSSERT: General Norman Schwarzkopf, a man you know well,
has suggested that perhaps in the short term, at least, Air Force One
should be accompanied by fighter jets while flying over the United
States just as a precaution.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Perhaps. I don't know that we've made that
judgment yet, that decision yet. You know, what happened on Tuesday--of
course, once we got all the aircraft grounded, that gave us a fairly
high degree of confidence that we were in control. The problem was,
there were some 2,000 aircraft up when this operation started, and it
took several hours to get them all down. And as long as there were
aircraft up and there was a report of a threat against Air Force One,
and there were aircraft we couldn't account for, that might, in fact,
have been taken by the terrorists, flying cover for Air Force One was
very important.
MR. RUSSERT: Would we consider using fighter jets to protect Air Force One for the short...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think if we believe it's necessary, we absolutely will.
MR. RUSSERT: In Europe, the government provides security at the
airports, highly trained, well-paid specialists. Here in the United
States, it's a low-paying job hired by the airlines. Would we consider
having the government take over airline security, airport security?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We're clearly going to have to look at this
whole question and find ways to improve and enhance our security,
without a doubt. And it's going to be a prime focus for Norm Mineta and
the folks over at the F.A.A. Exactly what the answer ought to be, Tim,
I don't have enough information now to be able to judge that. But
without question, this was a significant failure there in the sense
that they were able to take four aircraft. But again, they didn't do it
with guns or explosives; they did it with knives.
MR. RUSSERT: The airline industry is losing $300 million a
day, several teetering on bankruptcy or at least Chapter 11. Would you
support a federal bailout of both loans and grants and assistance to
the airline industry?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: The president hasn't really taken a
position on any particular piece of legislation. And I think we're very
interested in finding ways to make certain that in this particular
instance, there is no sort of permanent damage, if you will, to our
civil aviation capacity. It's very important. We've got people--Norm
Mineta's working on it. Larry Lindsey, who heads the economic council,
is heavily engaged in it. We're working with the airlines, and I'm sure
we'll come up with some...
MR. RUSSERT: So you're open to the concept?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Absolutely.
MR. RUSSERT: About a week ago, we were all discussing the so-called Social Security trust fund and who...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: And the lockbox.
MR. RUSSERT: ...and the lockbox...
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.
MR. RUSSERT: ...and who spent the surplus. Is that debate now moot?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think so. I certainly hope so. I think, you
know, we've all been concerned to make certain we protect Social
Security. But we clearly have a situation here--and that debate was a
little bit fallacious anyway, because, in fact, there was never any
question but what the United States government was going to pay its
obligations to our seniors. We've never defaulted on a debt since
Alexander Hamilton was Treasury secretary, so that's never really been
an issue.
But clearly, at this stage, we do have a surplus that's
generated primarily by the payroll tax, and as has been true oftentimes
in the past, that comes in, we were using it to retire debt. Clearly,
some of it now is going to be used to meet this emergency, the urgent
supplemental that the Congress passed this weekend of some $40 billion;
take those steps we need to take, both to recover from this attack, as
well as to do everything we can to prevent future ones.
MR. RUSSERT: The president said he would use the Social Security surplus in case of war and/or recession.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.
MR. RUSSERT: Do we now have both war and recession?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Quite possibly. We clearly have a war against
terrorism and we don't know yet what the third quarter is going to be
like. But if the economists come in and revise the second quarter down
into negative territory in terms of Gross Domestic Product growth and
the third quarter, fourth quarter--third quarter of the calendar year,
fourth quarter of the fiscal year...
MR. RUSSERT: And the economic shock from this.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. If that comes in negative, then we'll
have the definition of two negative quarters. That would qualify as a
recession.
MR. RUSSERT: What about the debate over missile defense? Many
Democrats are saying this now proves that our focus should be on
terrorism and counterterrorism and preparedness, and that the primary
threat is not something the missile defense could take care of.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I just fundamentally disagree. I
mean, there's no question but what there's a threat on the terrorist
front, and we've got to deal with that. We've been work it. We'll
continue to work it. But there are also--this does not, in any way,
diminish the threat with respect to ballistic missiles down the road. A
ballistic missile equipped with a weapon of mass destruction, a nuke,
for example, a nuclear weapon would be far more devastating than what
we just went through. If one of those was to hit one of our cities or
to hit a major base overseas where US forces are deployed, the casualty
list would be higher. The consequences would be even greater than the
terrible tragedy we've just been through.
MR. RUSSERT: So we can afford this war on terrorism and a missile defense system?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I don't see, Tim, how anybody can argue that
we cannot afford to defend America, and we're going to have to defend
it against conventional threats. We're going to have to defend it
against ballistic missile threats. We're going to have to defend it
against the threat of terrorism. And I think for public officials to
argue because we got hit with a terrorist assault, we should ignore the
ballistic missile threat out there strikes me as irresponsible.
MR. RUSSERT: The stock market has been closed since Tuesday. It reopens tomorrow. Are you concerned?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think that our economy is strong. I do
believe the market's going to open tomorrow. That's clearly the current
plan and expectation. I would hope--I'm not an investor anymore,
because I had to get out of the market since I'm now a public official.
But I would hope the American people would, in effect, stick their
thumb in the eye of the terrorists and say that they've got great
confidence in the country, great confidence in our economy, and not let
what's happened here in any way throw off their normal level of
economic activity. We look forward to recovery later this year from the
slowdown period that we've been through, and I have every confidence
that that will, in fact, happen.
MR. RUSSERT: Would you ever consider undoing or holding off or
triggering part of the tax cut in the future if the resources were
necessary?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No, I think the tax cut's crucial. And
that's exactly what we needed in terms of the slowdown. Having the tax
cut out there now means we're going to have a more robust year than
would have been the case without the tax cut. It's a key piece of
stimulus. And I think the president did exactly the right thing.
MR. RUSSERT: There is such fervor, such emotion, such anger in
the country right now. And as we conduct this war against terrorism, as
you said, it's going to take, days, months, years. What do we ask of
the American people? Will they have to sacrifice in order to help win
this war?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I guess I would ask vigilance. Be aware of
what's going on around you. Don't operate on the assumption that
somehow because we live behind two oceans we're immune to attack. We
now know we're not. I would ask, obviously, that they be understanding,
if you will, of the importance of the effort that we're going to have
to undertake here. We may end up, you know, with more stringent
security measures at airports and things like that. But I think there's
a unity and a spirit out there that I've not seen for a long time in
this country. And I see it on Capitol Hill between Republicans and
Democrats. I see it--the workers who were cleaning up the mess in New
York where the president visited yesterday. I see it in the people I've
talked with. And I think we have to recognize we are the strongest,
most powerful nation on Earth. We've got a tremendous set of
accomplishments and an enormously bright future ahead of us. There are
those in the world who hate us and that will do everything they can to
impose pain, and we can't let them win.
MR. RUSSERT: And we'll find them.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We'll find them.
MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Vice President, we thank you for inviting us up
to the mountains here with you, and we'll be watching you very
carefully.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Thanks, Tim.
MR. RUSSERT: Like all of you, I have spent this week wiping my
eyes and grinding my teeth and wondering why. I've drawn strength from
a story about a man I knew, Father Michael Judge. The chaplain of the
New York City Fire Department, a Franciscan, he raced to the World
Trade Center after the explosion to comfort the injured. While
administering the last rites to a dying rescue worker, he, himself, was
killed by flying debris.
New York's bravest physically carried Father Mike away. They
brought his body first to the altar of St. Peter's Church, where it
would be safe, then to their firehouse on 31st Street, Hook and Ladder
Company Number 24, directly across from the friary where he lived. They
wrapped him in sheets and placed him in one of their own bunks. They
asked his fellow Franciscans to cross the street and join them.
Together--firemen, priests, and brothers--wept and sang the prayer of
St. Francis, "May the Lord bless and keep you and show his face to you
and have mercy on you." That is the way of New York. That is the spirit
of America. From February 1945 at Iwo Jima to September 2001 at the
World Trade Center.
ENDTony Snow: "I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?"
Dick Cheney: "That's correct. "We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
https://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releas...
Freudian slip
a mistake made in speaking by which, it is thought, the speaker inadvertently reveals unconscious motives, desires, etc.
-Websters New World Dictionary
"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks."
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
https://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce_Qfp...
"A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban announced the death of Osama bin Laden, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago."
-Al-Wafd, Dec 26, 2001
https://welfarestate.com/binladen/fune...
QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/...
"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
https://myspace.com/911pressfortruth
OPERATION NORTHWOODS - the signed confession by US Govt for perping terrorist attacks in USA
https://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/200...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=926...
September 911 Surprise
https://september911surprise.com
American Scholars Symposium
https://piratenews.org/911con.html
https://cafepress.com/piratenews
How to mutiny during the Iraq War and get promoted to work for Dick Cheney at the Pentagon:
https://piratenews.org/pentagonwhistle...
https://geocities.com/pentagonwhistleb...
Glenn Beck french kisses Ron Paul then kills him for 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAPG3_...
Bush & Cheney sued by 9/11 victims and RICO Act for
